tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post4100153192419086700..comments2024-02-12T02:37:32.443-05:00Comments on Smart Girl Politics: Meghan McCain issues Civil War warning...look out!Stacyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00840211114576187128noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-2939948273944328652009-04-28T10:43:00.000-04:002009-04-28T10:43:00.000-04:00Luci,
In response to the question posed, "Would y...Luci,<br /><br />In response to the question posed, "Would you waterboard to save your own child?" You replied that what was of importance is whether the information obtained would be real or made up. I will ask that question again. Real or made up, if you had someone who was holding and threatening bodily harm, or worse, to one of your children, would you HONESTLY not even TRY to get the information? If your child is in danger, is some information not better than none at all? Is a false lead not better than the offender laughing in your face? Would you suggest that while your child was in captivity, or possibly in the process of being abused or murdered, we just politely ask that person what he had done to him? Please sir, it's very important to me, I love my son, I have to know where he is... Yeah, somehow I don't think that is the route you or ANY loving parent would take. If given the opportunity, you would do whatever you could to get an answer, preferably the true answer, but ANY answer, nonetheless. If it is good enough for our children, it is good enough for our countrymen and our neighbors' children, is it not?Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240558517681424027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-19272523250955368632009-04-27T16:36:00.000-04:002009-04-27T16:36:00.000-04:00Mr. Beagle,
Why am I not surprised of your respon...Mr. Beagle,<br /><br />Why am I not surprised of your response. So typical!!!!Olympianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-49031845629883472272009-04-26T02:48:00.000-04:002009-04-26T02:48:00.000-04:00Olympia asked:
"Would you waterboard someone if i...Olympia asked:<br /><br />"Would you waterboard someone if it would save your child's life? If so, then you can't be against waterboarding if it would save someone else's child."<br /><br />I think the real question would be if the information obtained from waterboarding actually produced a factual answer (and not something just made up).<br /><br />- Mother of twolucinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-39732794691424908212009-04-24T18:58:00.000-04:002009-04-24T18:58:00.000-04:00Olympia and BKR,
I am going to keep my word and n...Olympia and BKR,<br /><br />I am going to keep my word and not continue our discussion on torture here, but I DO want to respond to your comments. It is my hope that there will be a post on this topic sometime this weekend.<br /><br />If we don't have anything by say late Monday (i am a west coast third shift person - so bear with me), I will null out a blog and post something there - and invite you to view.<br /><br />Have a great weekend!<br />Rick BeagleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-25027425718580368222009-04-24T11:50:00.000-04:002009-04-24T11:50:00.000-04:00Mr. Beagle,
False fear? 9-11 didn't happen? Oh goo...Mr. Beagle,<br />False fear? 9-11 didn't happen? Oh good, it was just a bad nightmare. Come on, can you really not think back to the sentiments of EVERYONE, libs and conservatives alike, in those first years after the towers fell?<br /><br />Don't kid me, you know they attempted to impeach Clinton for much broader reasons than having an employee under his desk in the Oval Office, as if that weren't enough. If it had been a Republican who was proven to be dishonorable in many ways, repeatedly lying and smearing the office of President, what would you have been calling for? Honestly?<br /><br />Sorry for continuing the off-topic conversation. I am ignoring the whole Meghan thing because I agree with others that she is simply looking to extend her 15 minutes.BKRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-51327857642723115992009-04-24T09:10:00.000-04:002009-04-24T09:10:00.000-04:00Mr. Beagle,
I see you STILL have not answered my ...Mr. Beagle,<br /><br />I see you STILL have not answered my previous question. Or is it that you do not have an intelligent one for it?<br /><br />Again, would you waterboard someone to save your child's (or your most loved one's) life?Olympianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-5286481745571005862009-04-23T20:41:00.000-04:002009-04-23T20:41:00.000-04:00Okay, one last comment on the torture discussion ...Okay, one last comment on the torture discussion --- I cant help it, its a disease....<br /><br />So, as an American people we try to impeach a President for a stain on an overly accommodating intern, but we are okay with torture?<br /><br />Please keep in mind that women and children were also tortured (at least on of the children was seven years old). Do you think its okay to put a seven year old in a box and tell him that there is a poisonous bug in the box? What about slamming a nine year old boy's head against a wall? Is that okay with you? No, they weren't terrorists, but their father was suspected of being one. So they were tortured to get to him, both physically and mentally. You folks okay with that?<br /><br />There are reasons why we do not torture, and before you make a judgement call based on the false fear that the lives of your family (Fox News) were in jeopardy listen to all of the facts. <br /><br />As to the beheading of Americans, those were awful, but the electrical contractor killed more Americans that those Islamic nut jobs. And what about the actions of Xe? Randomly shooting into civilians is okay with you? <br /><br />There were some horrible things done in our name, and I want an accounting. I want our country to return to a nation of laws.<br /><br />Peace.<br />Rick Beagle<br /><br />PS my last note on the subject as it really bothers me to see people support this....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-73010098040180122602009-04-23T19:53:00.000-04:002009-04-23T19:53:00.000-04:00Meghan McCain is less informed and has a more limi...Meghan McCain is less informed and has a more limited vocabulary than my 10 year old.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-26631674457124588452009-04-23T19:52:00.000-04:002009-04-23T19:52:00.000-04:00Meghan McCain is so embarrassing. She needs to re...Meghan McCain is so embarrassing. She needs to read a book or something. I just don't understand why she thinks she has something coherent to say.<br /><br />She is pro-life, but in favor of 16 year olds taking the morning after pill without any parental consideration. She thinks that the torture that left her father permanently disabled is equivalent to psychological fear tactics.<br /><br />She doesn't ever know the specifics about any of the topics she chooses to comment on. It's so irritating to hear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-75837717417588617702009-04-23T19:36:00.000-04:002009-04-23T19:36:00.000-04:00In all fairness, I did hijack the article and that...In all fairness, I did hijack the article and that was impolite.<br /><br />Admin, please accept my apologies.<br /><br />Sooo.... Did you read what Meghan said about Rove? Oh come on, you can't dislike her for saying that he "creeps" her out?<br /><br />Peace.<br />Rick BeagleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-21172997721365175162009-04-23T12:15:00.000-04:002009-04-23T12:15:00.000-04:00Rick, I always love how you get off track almost i...Rick, I always love how you get off track almost immediately and go off on subjects that are irrelevant to the blog you are responding to, such as hate. Natalie was not in the least hateful in her article and was not suggesting conservatives were. In fact there is tolerance and understanding of gay issues BUT there was no need to redefine marriage. There are certain values that America was founded upon. Also torture is another subject not in the Megahan McCain article, but since you brought it up, I suppose that the beheadings of Danny Pearl and Nick Berg, both Americans and the torture that only they would have been able to relay had they not been...beheaded were acceptable? Their captives proudly displayed their videos! Did you write your representatives or government about them on their families behalf then?<br /><br />Meghan is asking us to be "politcally correct." That is stupidity, in a free nation with freedom of speech, politcal correctness is and always has been absurd. There never should have been a thing such as political correctness or getting ones feelings offended. For pete's sake, are we not all adults?<br /><br />I am not going to change my values to fit the climate or someone elses and I am not going to ask you to either. And I shouldn't because that is our constituional right. And the rest of what I would like to say was said best by Natalie in her article and BKR (since you brought up the distraction of torture)JoyFullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05238176354440691883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-46275894493074170582009-04-23T11:08:00.000-04:002009-04-23T11:08:00.000-04:00Rick,
With all due respect, I don't think Meghan ...Rick,<br /><br />With all due respect, I don't think Meghan McCain is driven by her values. I think that she is driven by her desire to be in the spotlight. As a mother of 4, I think that I can look at a young person and form a very good opinion on their motives, and hers, unfortunately, are to be seen as "the cool girl." When it was "cool" to be right behind her Daddy during the election, that's where she was. It didn't work out as expected and he lost, so she had to find a different platform. In essence, she is trying to use the Republican party as a spring board to catapult herself into celebrity status. She wants to be known as Meghan, not McCain's daughter. Hey, to her credit, it's working out fairly well. The two of us with polar opposite views are having an ongoing conversation about her.Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240558517681424027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-10311841577252196662009-04-23T11:04:00.000-04:002009-04-23T11:04:00.000-04:00Olympia,
I was watching O'Reilly and my husband a...Olympia,<br /><br />I was watching O'Reilly and my husband and I read that comment and we immediately looked at each other and said that I HAD to write something about that. I heard a similar sentiment given later in another show, and have even heard the flip side of the argument. I think it is definitely something worth exploring. In this case, I would have to say that those who would say, "no" are simply being politically correct because their child is not in immediate danger at the moment.Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240558517681424027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-86757461908449723222009-04-23T09:36:00.000-04:002009-04-23T09:36:00.000-04:00A bigger issue at the moment is whether the politi...A bigger issue at the moment is whether the politicos who made the decisions to use, or condoned the use of, waterboarding should be accused of criminal activity. If we will think back to the atmosphere of fear in the few years following Sept 11, 2001, it will clarify our perspective about this. The Bush admin did not make these decisions under cloak of darkness. As much as the Democrats enjoy rewriting history and whitewashing their roles, the facts are there for all to see who choose to honestly view facts: Congress was kept apprised of, and approved, establishing Gitmo and gaining intelligence through torture. It's more than a little disingenuous for them to now point fingers. If we as a nation are ashamed of our techniques, then the appropriate thing is to resolve not to allow ourselves to go down that road again. But to seek prosecution of those involved now is merely a ploy by the Democrat admin to redirect attention from their push toward more liberal socialistic policies.<br /><br />The question that liberal minded individuals don't seem to consider is whether they wish to give up more personal freedoms and if they will enjoy living under the political system they are helping to adopt.BKRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-61172806176673401072009-04-23T08:21:00.000-04:002009-04-23T08:21:00.000-04:00Mr. Beagle,
Last night, O'Riely showed some comme...Mr. Beagle,<br /><br />Last night, O'Riely showed some comment's sent in by viewers. One of these really struck me and I ask you the same question (I do not remember it verbatim):<br /><br />Would you waterboard someone if it would save your child's life? If so, then you can't be against waterboarding if it would save someone else's child"<br /><br />IF you don't have children, just substitue "child" for the person you love most in your life.<br /><br />Don't spin it, don't bridge around it, it is a direct question. Would you....YES or NO?<br /><br />I hope someone else picked up on this because, to me, it breaks the whole debate on this extreme ineterrogation measures as a use to protect our country.Olympianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-27636978066921056652009-04-22T22:28:00.000-04:002009-04-22T22:28:00.000-04:00Dearest Natalie,
Of course I love her, she is a s...Dearest Natalie,<br /><br />Of course I love her, she is a strong voice who's opinions are driven by her own values rather than by hate. What's not to love about that?<br /> She could actually win an office as a Republican in Independent territory - which might be something considering.<br /><br />Speaking of hate, this lovely <A HREF="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/what-cheney-did-to-conservatism.html#more" REL="nofollow">bit</A> from The Daily Dish (warning to Republicans convinced that Republicans can do no wrong, do not read! You have been warned....):<br /><br /><I>"The assertion of total power through unchecked violence - outside the Constitution, beyond the reach of the law (apart from legal memos from hired hacks instructed to retroactively redefine torture into 'legality') - will be seen in retrospect as the key defining theory of Bush conservatism. It ended, as all regimes bent on total power always end, with torture. Why? Because reality may differ from ideology; and when it does, it is vital to create reality to support ideology. And so torture creates reality by coercing "facts" from broken bodies and minds."</I>Peace.<br />Rick BeagleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-39818334256264660132009-04-22T21:35:00.000-04:002009-04-22T21:35:00.000-04:00My dearest anonymous Rick,
How did I ever guess y...My dearest anonymous Rick,<br /><br />How did I ever guess you would love Meghan? She is the most unRepublican there is...of course she's your favorite. :)<br /><br />Her father is a moderate voice, Meghan, on the other hand, is a RINO.Nataliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02240558517681424027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-38313966919020595802009-04-22T19:57:00.000-04:002009-04-22T19:57:00.000-04:00I love Meghan McCain. She is smart, sassy and man...I love Meghan McCain. She is smart, sassy and manages to say what most of us want to say to the Republican caucus.<br /><br />A moderate voice in a sea of extremists is a good start.<br /><br />Peace.<br />Rick BeagleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-601874105598784590.post-77802784666033001972009-04-21T22:04:00.000-04:002009-04-21T22:04:00.000-04:00I love your page!
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